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#1 Friday 11th July 2014 21:02:51

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three wheeled mopeds

Reading a post about mopeds on motorways I have this question to ask motorcycle trainers or a police spokesperson.

We have all seen the mopeds with one wheel on the rear and two close together at the front. It is not the same as a tricycle that some ride with two driven wheels at the back and one for steering on the front. Their riders for some unearthly reason were exempt from the helmet laws.

Today I saw a three wheeled moped rider as described above riding one without a helmet. Is this a loophole in the present helmet laws?

Piaggio three wheeled scooter.

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#2 Saturday 12th July 2014 06:17:05

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Re: three wheeled mopeds

The Motor Cycles (Protective Helmets) Regulations 1988 apply specifically to motor bicycles, which by definition have two wheels.

So it seems no helmet is needed for a tricycle, or for that matter a unicycle.

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#3 Saturday 12th July 2014 10:41:15

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Seems like a loophole that need closing ASAP.


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#4 Sunday 13th July 2014 11:14:10

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Well you've seen the picture and you are right John.
In a car, even an open top one, you are restrained.

On a bike, motorbike or "trike" you are not and anyone
deciding to ride one without a helmet only have themselves
to blame if they come off and damage their skull and what's in it.

Another example of poorly worded legislation.

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#5 Sunday 13th July 2014 12:21:35

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Re: three wheeled mopeds

The RTA 1988 defines a motor cycle as
"a mechanically propelled vehicle, not being an invalid carriage, with less than four wheels and the weight of which unladen does not exceed 410 kilograms".

A trike may weigh more than 410kgs. Therefore, it cannot by definition be a motor cycle. It will be a motor car. As the Regs refer only to a motor bicycle, a helmet is not required on a trike.

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#6 Sunday 13th July 2014 16:51:01

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Thanks for the clarification TM. What would we do without you?

I still think the legislation could have been written more tightly though.


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#7 Sunday 13th July 2014 19:11:11

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trunkmonkey wrote:

The RTA 1988 defines a motor cycle as
"a mechanically propelled vehicle, not being an invalid carriage, with less than four wheels and the weight of which unladen does not exceed 410 kilograms".

A trike may weigh more than 410kgs. Therefore, it cannot by definition be a motor cycle. It will be a motor car. As the Regs refer only to a motor bicycle, a helmet is not required on a trike.

True, but irrelevant as far as helmets are concerned.

The Motor Cycles (Protective Helmets) Regulations 1988, in spite of the title, apply only to motor BIcycles.

In case of doubt, they even go on to define a motor bicycle:

"In this regulation — motor bicycle means a two-wheeled motor cycle ..."

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#8 Monday 14th July 2014 15:41:05

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I don’t see it as irrelevant.
Firstly, and strictly by definition in the Headgear Regs, the Piaggio is a motor BIcycle and riders require a helmet.

“motor bicycle” means a two-wheeled motor cycle, whether or not having a side-car attached, and for the purposes of this definition where the distance measured between the centre of the area of contact with the road surface of any two wheels of a motor cycle is less than 460 millimetres, those wheels shall be counted as one wheel

The centre area of the Piaggio is 420mm.

Now look separately at the Road Traffic Act and the query from Autax

S.185 still has the definition of a “motor cycle
1 (c) means a mechanically propelled vehicle, not being an invalid carriage, with less than four wheels and the weight of which unladen does not exceed 410 kilograms

A lot of people see three-wheeler motor bikes and wonder why the riders don’t where a crash helmet.
Simple, most are over 410kgs and are therefore a car. No helmet needed.

But if it is under 410kgs it is a motor cycle, whether it has three, two or even one wheel.

Then look at the enforcement section of the Act:

16 (4) A person who drives or rides on a motor cycle in contravention of regulations under this section is guilty of an offence; but notwithstanding any enactment or rule of law no person other than the person actually committing the contravention is guilty of an offence by reason of the contravention unless the person actually committing the contravention is a child under the age of sixteen years.

Helmet required.

Not by me I hope.

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#9 Monday 14th July 2014 18:16:56

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Trunkmonkey

You're right, I'm wrong!

I'd take my helmet off to you if I had to wear one! smile

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#10 Monday 14th July 2014 20:48:02

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MGM wrote:

Trunkmonkey

You're right, I'm wrong!

I'd take my helmet off to you if I had to wear one! smile

Compromise. We're both right.

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#11 Monday 14th July 2014 21:48:21

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Thank you for your views gents. I wish I had saved the video now.


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