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#1 Monday 21st October 2013 21:55:11

ratty
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Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

Hello

I'm hoping that someone can help me with this question.

If someone in taking a D1 DSA test, can / should they use a bus lane?

I believe that bus lanes can be used by buses with a minimum of 10 seats so there should be no problems there, but some bus lanes state only for the use of local buses though, what about these?

Thanks in advance.

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#2 Monday 21st October 2013 22:15:25

trunkmonkey
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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

Graham,
3 types
Those with the legend LOCAL and no times  -  Stay Out.   
Those with the legend LOCAL and timed - Stay Out during the times stated   eg  0730 - 0930    4.30 - 6.30.   Go in between 9.30 and 4.30
No LOCAL legend  -  Any bus can go in.  A D1 is a bus for the purpose of the Regs.

The Traffic Signs Manual 3, Ch. 15 -  Bus Lanes,   gives a clear explanation (if mine isn't)

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#3 Tuesday 22nd October 2013 09:03:51

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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

Hi
Agree with TM, though I don't see the relevance of that part of the question which relates to a test.

I have often used bus lanes during their operational times, but occasionally you are better off not doing so because you have to keep stopping in the bus queue when they stop at bus stops

I have also seen bus prohibition signs with "Except service buses"and this one in Lancaster  http://goo.gl/maps/WaeuO .
What is authorised?
My argument would be "if you don't know if you are authorised then you aren't"

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#4 Tuesday 22nd October 2013 09:29:19

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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

NO BUSES except authorised access is simple - as a driver have you been authorised to go there?

If a on a bus stop route then its authorised - if needing to go there for a one off then get authorisation


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#5 Tuesday 22nd October 2013 14:11:50

ratty
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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

pegasus wrote:

Hi
Agree with TM, though I don't see the relevance of that part of the question which relates to a test.

Because I was wondering if someone on a D1 test can or should use a bus lane.

The vehicle is being used for a different purpose to when it is being used when not on a test.

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#6 Tuesday 22nd October 2013 14:25:58

reddragonbus
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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

Yes D1 should use bus lane on test, other than when there are specific restrictions on the bus lane.

D1 also required to stop at bus stops on test.


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#7 Tuesday 22nd October 2013 14:27:20

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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

ratty wrote:

The vehicle is being used for a different purpose to when it is being used when not on a test.


Not sure what difference that makes with regard to bus lane? It is either a minibus or it is not a minibus.


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#8 Tuesday 22nd October 2013 21:10:53

trunkmonkey
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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

ratty wrote:
pegasus wrote:

Hi
Agree with TM, though I don't see the relevance of that part of the question which relates to a test.

Because I was wondering if someone on a D1 test can or should use a bus lane.

The vehicle is being used for a different purpose to when it is being used when not on a test.

Graham,
That's the reason why you need to know what you can or can't do.

If you don't go into a Bus Lane when legally you should be in there, that's marked as a fault.

Adding to RedDragon's comment about stopping at a bus stop;

In my area most Bus Stops are marked out with a thick yellow line at the kerb indicating a clearway. This is supported by the clearway sign affixed to a post near the bus stop.
Here's the rub,
LEGALLY, you can only stop there if you are a service bus on a local route OR a learner driver training for a test where he will then drive a service bus on a local route.
With me so far?
That means L drivers for Stagecoach, Arriva are OK, but coach companies and most likely Minibuses are not.

On test, it is the Ex who tells your driver where to stop. On almost every stop I've been in with the bus/minibus it has stopped on a clearway bus stop.
No fault has ever been marked and far be it from me to comment to an Examiner.

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#9 Wednesday 23rd October 2013 06:55:09

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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

I stop at bus stops in any category D or D1 vehicle regardless of the signs and regardless of the owner of the vehicle.

I am permitted to stop to set down and pick up passengers even on double yellow lines.

Many "private" coach and bus companies who do not operate "service routes" operate school contracts or other contracts where passengers join and leave the vehicle at bus stops, for example a bingo run. When I have done private hires it is common for the group to elect a bus stop to meet the coach. I use bus and coach drop off and parking areas at railways stations, ports and airports.

Local service buses do not have exclusive use of bus stops.


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#10 Wednesday 23rd October 2013 07:52:36

trunkmonkey
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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

reddragonbus wrote:

I stop at bus stops in any category D or D1 vehicle regardless of the signs and regardless of the owner of the vehicle.

I am permitted to stop to set down and pick up passengers even on double yellow lines.

Many "private" coach and bus companies who do not operate "service routes" operate school contracts or other contracts where passengers join and leave the vehicle at bus stops, for example a bingo run. When I have done private hires it is common for the group to elect a bus stop to meet the coach. I use bus and coach drop off and parking areas at railways stations, ports and airports.

Local service buses do not have exclusive use of bus stops.

Why are the signs there?

1. You choose to stop there regardless of the signs. Doesn't mean it's legal.
2. It seems perfectly reasonable for a bus/coach to stop at a bus stop, where else would they stop. However, if it is marked as a Bus Stop Clearway only a bus on a local service can legally stop there.
3.Look at the law. If it is a Bus Stop clearway, has a solid yellow line, a clearway sign and depending on the enforcement authority, there is a TRO for it, then they do not have exclusive use.

I'm not that concerned if you decide to stop where and when you like. I'm merely pointing out that on some occasions, and this is one, the law is not on your side.

I know it is on the face of it a minor point. However, if a car driver stopped in a box junction illegally it's an offence and most on here would do their best to stay out.
Stopping illegally on  a Bus Stop Clearway carries the same punishment.

Last edited by trunkmonkey (Wednesday 23rd October 2013 08:15:57)

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#11 Wednesday 23rd October 2013 10:07:51

pegasus
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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

Hi TM
I take it that you are refering to the signs at the top of page 34 in KYTS.
They don't use them around here on road side or layby stops.

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#12 Wednesday 23rd October 2013 14:58:17

trunkmonkey
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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

pegasus wrote:

Hi TM
I take it that you are refering to the signs at the top of page 34 in KYTS.
They don't use them around here on road side or layby stops.

Yep, that's them.
You require a sign for it to be enforceable.

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#13 Friday 25th October 2013 20:07:59

ratty
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Re: Mini buses using Bus Lanes.

Thanks for the replies.

I wasn't sure what to advise the person who asked, I don't think they had prepared a novice for the D1 test before and I didn't want to give the wrong info.

Thanks again.

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