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#1 Wednesday 12th June 2013 06:35:14

Jardine
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Red ORDIT

Are Red still on ORDIT? The reason why I ask is because I have seen Instructor Training being carried out by trainers who are not ORDIT registered and don't display the ORDIT badge in the Bristol and South Wales area. I have contacted the DSA about this, still waiting for a reply.

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#2 Wednesday 12th June 2013 06:49:26

MGM
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Re: Red ORDIT

Jardine wrote:

Are Red still on ORDIT? The reason why I ask is because I have seen Instructor Training being carried out by trainers who are not ORDIT registered and don't display the ORDIT badge in the Bristol and South Wales area. I have contacted the DSA about this, still waiting for a reply.

Unless I've misunderstood you, the DSA's reply is likely to be along the lines of "So what?".

ORDIT registration is voluntary.

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#3 Wednesday 12th June 2013 07:05:45

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RED sacked all their trainers a few months ago so perhaps it no longer qualifies to use the ordit title.

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#4 Wednesday 12th June 2013 07:27:56

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As far as Im aware you dont need ANY qualifications to train driving instructors. In my view the DSA have got a lot to answer for as ORDIT should be not be optional and this is one of the reasons that driving instruction is not considered a true profession.

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#5 Wednesday 12th June 2013 07:39:24

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You don't even need to be an ADI to train PDI's or ADIs!

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#6 Wednesday 12th June 2013 08:32:43

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Roadmaster wrote:

You don't even need to be an ADI to train PDI's or ADIs!

Exactly. Im off to the dentist today the only good thing being is he had professional training rather than him have been trained by any old man in the street...or a butcher.


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#7 Wednesday 12th June 2013 08:59:00

martin Williams
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RobC wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:

You don't even need to be an ADI to train PDI's or ADIs!

Exactly. Im off to the dentist today the only good thing being is he had professional training rather than him have been trained by any old man in the street...or a butcher.

Your dentist also has done 5 years training not just 40hrs and is paid between 80,000 and 120,000 a year.

What hope is there for two a penny ADIs?

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#8 Wednesday 12th June 2013 10:11:34

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martin Williams wrote:
RobC wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:

You don't even need to be an ADI to train PDI's or ADIs!

Exactly. Im off to the dentist today the only good thing being is he had professional training rather than him have been trained by any old man in the street...or a butcher.

Your dentist also has done 5 years training not just 40hrs and is paid between 80,000 and 120,000 a year.

What hope is there for two a penny ADIs?


I and many others will have done more than 40 hours to qualify, in my case it took 18 months and I didnt find it easy to qualify so I am proud of my ADI badge. Im not equating an ADI's skills with those of a surgeon but nevertheless being an ADI is not an easy job to do well and be successful at.

I dont think theres much hope for ADIs whilst theres very little regulation by the DSA. I recall that the DSA were quite happy to go along with (and make thousands from) REDs mass recruitment of PDI's which wasnt in the interests of many of the PDIs involved or the driving industry in general before RED collapsed amongst bad press and massive debts around 3 years ago.


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#9 Wednesday 12th June 2013 10:28:55

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Robc wrote:

I dont think theres much hope for ADIs whilst theres very little regulation by the DSA

It's LESS regulation we need from an incompetant govt agency, not more.  What we do need is one proper professional organisation representing us, which can set the standards for it's members, rather than the current shambolic lot.

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#10 Wednesday 12th June 2013 12:40:41

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Totally agree unfortunately like learning to drive far too many think passing the test is the end of the journey not the beginning!


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#11 Wednesday 12th June 2013 14:56:53

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Re: Red ORDIT

Roadmaster wrote:
Robc wrote:

I dont think theres much hope for ADIs whilst theres very little regulation by the DSA

It's LESS regulation we need from an incompetant govt agency, not more.  What we do need is one proper professional organisation representing us, which can set the standards for it's members, rather than the current shambolic lot.

If we had more competance form the DSA I wouldnt mind more regulation. Agree we need a single professional body representing the industry.

Also agree that the ADI qualification is just a start, most of what Ive learnt has been from years of experience, CPD and the qualifications I have gained since qualiflying. I guess you could say that about any profession/job and qualifiaction though.

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#12 Friday 6th September 2013 09:47:22

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Don't forget people that ORDIT will be gone in 2015 and the new system will make it compulsory to be further qualified to train Driving Instructors

Hopefully you are all fully aware of this and ready for the changes..................mind you role six was introduced back in 2011 and may trainers are not even beginning to roll this out.


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#13 Friday 6th September 2013 20:19:02

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Hi Robc
Having trained as a butcher in my dads family business, we weren't allowed anywhere near a piece of expensive meat until we could handle a knife safely!
Months of paring the meat off bones and doing the most menial of tasks prepared you to be properly overseen on some of the cheaper cuts and when you could handle that  without losing your fingers or,more importantly, leaving too much waste, you were deigned  acceptable (only under close scrutiny) to work on the expensive cuts.
Far more rigorous training than becoming an ADI.
Training from a butcher might not be a bad idea. tongue
Peter


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