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#1 Friday 27th July 2012 14:17:55

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Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

We would like to move into these area's and are now searching for the right adi to take our name and brand forward is this for you? We will supply you with a corsa 1.3cdti (50+mpg) and pull the stops out on advertising. We will not charge you a penny untill you have a full diary and are 100% happy. I am not bothered if it takes me 12 months to get there but as you will be i will after 6 months PAY YOU TO WORK. We will set a weekly amount of hours wanted and i will make up the shortfall. Any person interested please drop me an e.mail to info@fishersdrivingschool.co.uk with name,grade and who your with at this point in time. No phone calls
Martin

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#2 Wednesday 29th August 2012 12:14:07

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

We are still looking even though i have offered to pay an instructor 20k per year


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#3 Wednesday 29th August 2012 15:11:07

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fishie wrote:

We are still looking even though i have offered to pay an instructor 20k per year

Good luck hope you find someone but for most full time ADIs 20k would be a drop in earnings.

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#4 Wednesday 29th August 2012 15:41:01

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Martin dont be daft the only out goings they would have would be fuel. I speak to loads of instructors every week that DONT EARN anything like that and are desperate to jump ship. Last month we took an instructor of BSM that was only coming out with 170 a WEEK AFTER FUEL AND FRANCHISE. Trust me 20k is good.


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#5 Wednesday 29th August 2012 22:49:33

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

Thats not a bad offer.

And it really does depend on the area you live, to what you earn

Graham

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#6 Wednesday 29th August 2012 23:49:06

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martin Williams wrote:
fishie wrote:

We are still looking even though i have offered to pay an instructor 20k per year

Good luck hope you find someone but for most full time ADIs 20k would be a drop in earnings.

Martin if you are refering to 20k being net earnings then on what planet would that be? lol

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#7 Thursday 30th August 2012 11:46:30

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From reading the initial post, looks like your offering a great offer, I wish you luck in finding the right person for the job.


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#8 Thursday 30th August 2012 12:06:01

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Promanade wrote:
martin Williams wrote:
fishie wrote:

We are still looking even though i have offered to pay an instructor 20k per year

Good luck hope you find someone but for most full time ADIs 20k would be a drop in earnings.

Martin if you are refering to 20k being net earnings then on what planet would that be? lol

The RED Planet lol lol  lol

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#9 Wednesday 12th September 2012 21:35:37

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Wow, cant believe you,ve had no takers - if you want to try North Manchester let me know....

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#10 Wednesday 12th September 2012 22:02:04

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martin12 wrote:

Wow, cant believe you,ve had no takers - if you want to try North Manchester let me know....

Why do you think this is a good offer?

As a FULL TIME ADI i expect they will be working between 30 and 40 hours. 20,000 will be around 385 a week not much when you think their gross income before running costs should be between 600 and 800 if they charge 20 an hr. So take away 160-180 a week for running cost and there net will be between 440 and 620. Or put it another way a net income before tax of between 23,000 and 33,000.

If anyone is working over 30hrs average a week and can't make 20,000 net they really should be looking into the way they are running their business IMHO.

Perhaps Fishie has a different opinion on what FULL TIME is but for me it's 30+ hours. I stand by what i said most ADIs who work FULL TIME earn more than 20,000 net.

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#11 Thursday 13th September 2012 08:58:13

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Hi Martin. I dont know where you are from but in my area there are not many ADIs working over 30 hours consistently. I haven't done the maths as you have, I was looking more at the goodwill side of it where Fishie was promising a full diary before any franchise was to be payed. I haven't met anyone recently on a franchise who is happy with what they're getting especially those with the larger schools. You are always going to be better off working on your own if you are working the same hours as you would on a franchise, I know that much but sadly, the way things are more and more ADIs, even the long time established ones are taking the franchise option. Fishies offer just looked a bit different to the usual ones, thats all- thanks for your reply.  Martin.

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#12 Thursday 13th September 2012 12:01:27

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

martin Williams wrote:
martin12 wrote:

Wow, cant believe you,ve had no takers - if you want to try North Manchester let me know....



Perhaps Fishie has a different opinion on what FULL TIME is but for me it's 30+ hours. I stand by what i said most ADIs who work FULL TIME earn more than 20,000 net.

I dont disagree with what you have said nor what i have taken out but you have missed the point 100%. Most adi's working with the larger franchise's are no way near 30hrs a week. To these people what i have offered is a pipe dream. This week alone i have SET ON two instructors the first one with the AA who was only just over 20hrs and a D* instructor who was down to 14 hours yes thats right 14hours. The first chap drove a brand new car of my drive last night even though he is working his notice with the AA so he can start to do the work we have sent him. I have given him a 30hr course and two new starters in his area in 3days. The second instructor has not been as lucky work wise but we have given him 4 clients in the last three weeks and as he can't afford to pay me and eat i have told him NOT TO pay his franchise untill the end of the month.
Martin 12 points out that we have a goodwill side but i would say it makes more business sense to have happy adi's earning money and PAYING ME.
Martin



ps van pls leave the firms names in i am not having a dig at them just stating facts if they wont to sue me so be it smile

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#13 Sunday 3rd February 2013 01:04:36

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martin whats your full frannchise cost, never seen any of your cars around anyway, do you guarantee a full diary of pupils before taking the franchise, whats your get out clause, how many adis do you have?

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#14 Sunday 3rd February 2013 12:24:34

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You wont get an answer as i believe he has been banned from the forum. So i quess you will have to contact him direct for more infomation.

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#15 Sunday 3rd February 2013 15:47:15

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danny gibson wrote:

martin whats your full frannchise cost, never seen any of your cars around anyway, do you guarantee a full diary of pupils before taking the franchise, whats your get out clause, how many adis do you have?


Danny can I enlighten you to a fact of life about this business, no one can guarantee you a full diary. No matter what anyone says, promises or projects, the learner driver business can be very difficult until you establish yourself, and there can be fluctuations in the amount and frequency of work coming to any school. This fact is backed up by the amount of Instructors that pass part 3 and never take out a second licence.

Being with any franchise is NOT a guarantee of work.

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#16 Sunday 3rd February 2013 18:22:01

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

Evan wrote:
danny gibson wrote:

martin whats your full frannchise cost, never seen any of your cars around anyway, do you guarantee a full diary of pupils before taking the franchise, whats your get out clause, how many adis do you have?


Danny can I enlighten you to a fact of life about this business, no one can guarantee you a full diary. No matter what anyone says, promises or projects, the learner driver business can be very difficult until you establish yourself, and there can be fluctuations in the amount and frequency of work coming to any school. This fact is backed up by the amount of Instructors that pass part 3 and never take out a second licence.

Being with any franchise is NOT a guarantee of work.

Evan is absolutely right.

I run a small franchise and make it quite clear that we cannot guarantee a "full diary of pupils"...quite simply how can anyone "guarantee" the future?

Self-employment (whether as a franchisee or an independent ADI), is by it's very nature, subject to numerous variables, most of which will be outside your control. Many posters on these forums have been ADIs for quite some time - I doubt any of them foresaw the recession, or the huge increases in insurance for young drivers - both of these are variables which have affected the demand for work. Who knows what's round the next corner? That's why there cannot be "guarantees".

You have asked for advice on a number of threads and while you seem to be thinking of a franchise, I have seem comments suggesting you consider going indie. Quite simply, there are pros and cons whichever path you decide to take. What's one man's meat is another man's poison, but what I will say, is that one thing you need to factor into your decision but which is rarely mentioned by advice givers is YOU!

Are you coming at this with any experience of working as an ADI or are you brand new to it? Do you have any existing pupils? Do you have a supplementary source of income or is your ADI work literally your bread and butter? Do you have experience of self-employment? Do you know how to promote and market yourself? Are you aware of how much it costs to advertise yourself or how or where to advertise to get the best return on investment?...and so on...

For every ADI that "makes it" as an indie without too much hassle, there are others who don't.

For every ADI that has a "bad experience" with a franchise, there are others that thrive with a franchise.

NOTHING can "guarantee" a full diary - not a well designed and properly search engine optimised website, not carefully targeted advertising, not a good reputation and not even years of experience...however, a combination of these means you'll be in there with a good chance, but there are no guarantees of anything!


It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful...

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#17 Sunday 3rd February 2013 19:11:17

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

martin12 wrote:

Wow, cant believe you,ve had no takers - if you want to try North Manchester let me know....

No thanks, we don't need another driving school in Manchester, we are already flooded with schools from all over the country, most of them crap.


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#18 Thursday 27th June 2013 08:50:00

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

Want is spelled with an A ffs, not wont!!

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#19 Thursday 27th June 2013 09:29:45

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

HelenG wrote:

Want is spelled with an A ffs, not wont!!


Reported post on above Quote:

I wonder if the word she is misreading is in fact (won't) without the punctuation but even if it is a spelling mistake there is no need for that attitude. In my opinion!

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#20 Thursday 27th June 2013 09:31:23

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What language?

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#21 Thursday 27th June 2013 09:44:53

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

HelenG wrote:

Want is spelled with an A ffs, not wont!!


To which sentence are you referring to HelenG?
If we could clear this up now it  might prevent further reported posts maybe?

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#22 Thursday 27th June 2013 09:50:37

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

Every post Fisher uses the word wan,  He spells it won't.  I'm not confusing it with won't

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#23 Thursday 27th June 2013 10:16:39

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Re: Free Franchise in Rotherham or Sheffield

I think in view of the fact that fishie is now banned and also that this is an old thread it might be better just to lock the thread rather than resurrect it.

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