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#1 Friday 13th November 2009 07:56:00

redcap
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Fleet training

Hi All

My fleet check test is coming up is it true that you have 3 options to choose from.And you do not have to do a presentation on 1 of them.

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#2 Friday 13th November 2009 08:30:27

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You can do what you like, you can do the full thing i.e presentation, let the delegate drive and i.d faults then correct or you can have a delegate that you have already assessed, give the examiner a list of the things you have already seen and then do the lesson to the plan you give to the examiner to put them right, or you can of course role play.

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#3 Friday 13th November 2009 15:17:48

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hi daz

thanks for that The 2nd option sounds the best.

Redcap

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#4 Friday 13th November 2009 15:44:32

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Thats news to me!

I think it may depend on the examiner!  Call the examiner ASAP to check.  As far as I'm aware its a taster of each part, presentation, Safety Checks, Assessment, Remdial action.....

Correct me please if I'm incorrect.  Anyways, its similar to check test normally, core comps all the way!


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#5 Friday 13th November 2009 16:11:36

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Thats what the options were to me, and a colleague of mine has actually just got a 5 , he took someone out who he had previously assessed, he gave the examiner his lesson plan on what he previously had picked up on and he was happy with that format, but please check to make sure with them first but I think you'll find this approach is also acceptable.

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#6 Friday 13th November 2009 22:37:31

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It's quite simple really, you can either present a full licence holder or you can do role play. If you choose roleplay the examiner will need to see a presentation, vehicle checks and then into the training.
I chose roleplay and will do next time as well.

DSA have the info in the ADI 1 document, it's somewhere on their website.

Jon

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#7 Saturday 14th November 2009 07:53:18

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Hi Redcap

You may take a fleet client (Not just any full licence holder though) A fleet client is a driver who drives as part of their work, and this driver could be at any stage of the process, as stated above.

But think long and hard do you really want to take a driver with years of bad habits and try and fix them with a highly trained examiner sat in the back with a pen? Very difficult, and a real fleet driver will randomly break the law on the way round and their problems are not always an easy fix.

Roleplay is the easy option but most Adi s prefer to make it hard!


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#8 Saturday 14th November 2009 09:24:26

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This is how i did it.

Went to see my delegate the week before to give a brief 15 minute road risk presentation.

Met with the delegate in a car park a hour before the check test to go through the vehicle checks.

She drove to the test centre which gave me an opportunity to assess her driving (15 mins).

Highlighted 3 key risk areas.

Filled the SE in on what i had done so far.

Took the delegate out of the test centre environment and talked interactively about the key risk areas i had identified.

Coached a remedy (40 mins).

Filled out a driver development report and offered to buy her a coffee.

Check test.......done.

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#9 Saturday 14th November 2009 12:35:33

redcap
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Hi Matterhorn

Thanks for that its what I heard and sounds the best way saves all the hassle of the presentation.

And to everyone else thanks for your input really appreciate it

Redcap

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#10 Saturday 14th November 2009 17:06:49

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....Went to see my delegate the week before to give a brief 15 minute road risk presentation.....

Hi Matterhorn

Thanks for that its what I heard and sounds the best way saves all the hassle of the presentation.....

How has that saved the hassle of a presentation?

Nigel


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#11 Thursday 18th February 2010 20:51:19

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Role play was dead easy. I did mine 3 years ago with very little fleet experience under my belt.
I showed the examiner the Safed for vans presentation. I told him it normally took an hour, so would be missing bits out in the 7 minutes I had allocated. He stopped me once to ask for a bit more detail.
As we walked to the vehicle I told him I had a car not a van and that we normally spent 15 mins doing POWDERY. We skipped that. I then told him I normally assessed for 30+ minutes but I could only allow him to make his mistakes for 10 mins. I planned a route that dictated what mistakes he would make. I.e speed and space. Gave him a quick debrief and 30 mins coaching/ training on way back.
All traffic disappeared and I would have got a 6 had I not had a silent 2 or 3 mins.
But actually enjoyed it and had to make do with a grade 5.
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#12 Friday 19th February 2010 17:47:12

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Hi.

My option was a whole lot easier, I took the wife in, we chose a route, decided what we would do, as for obvious reasons I know how she drives, I knew what mistakes she would make and roughly when, it made it pretty easy. got a grade six, we left the test centre and went and got the shopping done, doddle.

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#13 Friday 19th February 2010 18:42:25

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Crafty, if not a little underhand!  big_smile big_smile big_smile

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#14 Friday 19th February 2010 18:42:45

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Hi.

My option was a whole lot easier, I took the wife in, we chose a route, decided what we would do, as for obvious reasons I know how she drives, I knew what mistakes she would make and roughly when, it made it pretty easy. got a grade six, we left the test centre and went and got the shopping done, doddle.

Ian

OMG the wife on CT! Very brave- I challenge you to take mine on your next CT! Shes had a good week, smacked the car into a wall on Tuesday and reversed full pelt into my car on the Friday. All told a normal week. 


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#15 Friday 19th February 2010 19:14:43

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Nige,

If your wife needs some lessons, I can recommend a good instructor  tongue tongue :evil:

.phil.
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#16 Friday 19th February 2010 19:17:22

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Hi.

My option was a whole lot easier, I took the wife in, we chose a route, decided what we would do, as for obvious reasons I know how she drives, I knew what mistakes she would make and roughly when, it made it pretty easy. got a grade six, we left the test centre and went and got the shopping done, doddle.

Ian

Errr the wife, no i'll stick with using the SEADI for my Fleet ct's, they're much less scary he he he big_smile

Jon

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#17 Friday 19th February 2010 19:19:48

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Phil

You would need danger money at the moment- Shes having a bad run. 


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#18 Friday 19th February 2010 20:50:09

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So that's why you're getting a Polo - less value for the dragon to destroy!


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#19 Friday 19th February 2010 20:58:17

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Phil

You would need danger money at the moment- Shes having a bad run.

Well they say that bad luck comes in three's, so it might not all be over yet! yikes yikes :evil:

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#20 Friday 19th February 2010 21:01:59

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[quote author=hector link=topic=38559.msg282250#msg282250 date=1266607188]
Phil

You would need danger money at the moment- Shes having a bad run.

Well they say that bad luck comes in three's, so it might not all be over yet! yikes yikes :evil:


Good point.
With any luck, she'll do us all a favour and run the rabid manc over next! Ha Ha!!!


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#21 Friday 19th February 2010 21:44:32

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Now now Johnny, calm down calm down. Its the cat I fear for, could end up under the wheels at anytime I fear.

Anyway never mind that, lets reflect on your teams stunning performance against the mighty Hungarian champions last night (Thursday night on channel five) Who were they again son? And who do you play sunday???? For the all important 4th spot!




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#22 Tuesday 27th July 2010 18:30:25

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Hi

I was let down by my allotted driver the day before my check test, I went cold after that phone call... TIME TO PANIC!!!

I called one of my mates who readily agreed to help me out, but then he revealed that his car was dead so I picked him up in my wifes car which is a subaru imprezza, which on reflection was an excellent choice of motor as I knew one of the main three faults I would be picking him up on.
We arrived at the test centre, I gave the examiner a list of his faults (picking out the top three) telling her that I have previously completed the presentation and vehicle checks and showed her the driver profile that I had built up, explained the route that I had chosen and why then did it! Debreif was the typical sh!t sandwich (praise, work harder, praise)
My experience of it wasnt too bad at all.... got a perfect 6!!
stick to the basics.... make it easy for yourself... dont pick an excellent driver with no faults.. coach dont teach... fill in the gaps with topic relevant questions.

may the force be with you !

matt


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