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#1 Tuesday 11th July 2006 15:19:19

Karl
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Reference points for PP

I have my part 3 next week and just want some advice on what ref points i should use with the SE for the PP I currently get my pupils to dip their left door mirror and tell them to correct their steering when the wheel arch goes over the kerb. but i would rather have a more full proof method, if any one has a better method please could you tell me so I can get some practice in with it before my test!

Cheers Karl


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#2 Tuesday 11th July 2006 20:47:22

iendicott
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Re: Reference points for PP

Depends on what car you are using, my trainer gave me the following points.

1. Pull up along side the car about 1m away so the left door mirror is level with the front bumper of the car then reverse.
2. When the left door mirror is halfway along the parked car, steer quickly anti clockwise 1 full turn.
3. Just as the kerb dissapears into the bottom of the left door mirror 2 turns to the right matching the steering to the road speed.
4. Now straighten the wheel when parallel.

This always works for me. Just make sure they take appropriate observations before they swing the front of the car out etc etc.

Now this will work in a Vauxhall Corsa, other cars will differ due to the steering lock.

HTH.

Ivan


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#3 Tuesday 11th July 2006 20:55:36

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Re: Reference points for PP

The best way for you to go about finding out the reference points is to do the manoeuvre yourself. When you have reached the point of turn, pause and take note of what you can see then switch over to the passenger seat and take reference points from there which you can rely on if needed. Do this for each stage of the manoeuvre and you will have a definitive method in your car from both seats but bear in mind reference points differ slightly with each pupil but yours from the passenger seat won't.

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#4 Tuesday 11th July 2006 21:19:30

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Re: Reference points for PP

....2. When the left door mirror is halfway along the parked car, steer quickly anti clockwise 1 full turn.....

Surely this method will depend on what sort of car you are parking behind.  It may work with a small car, but, using an extreme, you'd end up reversing into the door of a stretch limo!

Another method to consider, would be to make the turn to the left when the back of your car is level with the back of the target car, straighten the steering when your left door mirror is level with the back of the target car and then bring the front in when the kerb disappears from your rear view mirror.

Hope this helps

Nigel


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#5 Tuesday 11th July 2006 23:15:42

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#6 Wednesday 12th July 2006 07:50:00

iendicott
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Re: Reference points for PP

Surely this method will depend on what sort of car you are parking behind.  It may work with a small car, but, using an extreme, you'd end up reversing into the door of a stretch limo!

Yes correct and hopefully common sense will prevail in that situation.


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#7 Wednesday 12th July 2006 08:04:55

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Once in postion about 2 feet and parallel from object car, with back wheels ( rear seats ) in line with rear of car. If they play up ( or the SE looks dumb ) i have a point in the renault that lines up through the side window, also pictures on my phone and hard copies the pupils can look at.

Steer one turn. Obbs of course. At 2pm on clock or when passenger door handle reaches kerb steer full right lock. This seems to work for most and adjust because the door mirror nor the kerb will ever be any different. Assuming the driver sits in the same place each lesson.

They need a method they can use and the SE's like you to have 2 methods. They will often look dumb and say.

' I just do not understand'.......They are waiting for you to try something different.


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#8 Wednesday 12th July 2006 09:24:02

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Re: Reference points for PP

I go back to level, one full turn until we hit 45 degs (or half past 1 on a clock face) straight back until edge of mirror (as i look at it) is just about to begin to obscure vehicle. Stop and  ask them  for their ref point. it's usually the pillar between door and windscreen obscuring rear corner of parked vehicle. If you call it a few inches earlier you're giving yourself a bit of leaway without compromising the distance from kerb at finish too much.

.........still having bother with the reverse round a corner though........


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#9 Tuesday 24th June 2008 13:25:05

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Re: Reference points for PP

Their are many reference point that you can use.

Ultimately you will need to go out and continually practice the PP in your tuition car and look out for things such as amount of steering turns at different point during the manouvere (this is the most important aspect to learn), and use your left door mirror (not the view in the mirror) as a RP against the object car for when to apply the steering turns.  You can also use and look at the object car for RP's for when you need to apply steering (ie such as the back of the object car)

I would'nt recommend using the view in the left door mirror (ie looking a the kerb ) as a RP, because the view in the LDM will change with different people (IE height of driver  also the SE may adjust the LDM)

It will take time and practice, and anyway is fine as long as it is kept simple and most importantly is correct.

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#10 Tuesday 24th June 2008 14:48:07

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I'll vote for doc's method too.

There's no problem with using the door mirror as long as you check that their cockpit drill was correct, but I would tend to avoid changing it simply because they often forget to change it back when in their own cars.

Just with the length of vehicle thing - the easiest way to know that you won't hit it when you steer is to make sure that you can see fresh air behind it through your rear passenger side windows. This has the advantage of working on any car.

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