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#1 Wednesday 20th November 2013 10:33:30

JayMcCreary
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Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Hi, all this week I'm collecting views on elderly drivers, and I'd like your help with the following...

Should drivers over a certain age be re-tested to see if they're still fit and able to drive safely? Surely, an updated assessment of their faculties should be in order, not only for their own safety, but for others as well, just to make sure that nobody is going to be unnecessarily hurt… or worse, killed.

Would that be right?  Or would it be ageist?

Before you decide, take a listen to the short podcast (only 3 minutes long), you’ll be surprised at some of the statistics involving older drivers.  After listening, please post your thoughts on the matter.

Looking forward to hearing your views.  Here's the link:
http://mhm.hud.ac.uk/newsroom/sites/def … rivers.mp3

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#2 Wednesday 20th November 2013 11:13:57

Roadmaster
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

You cannot discriminate on the grounds of age, so a retest just because you reach a certain age is not only out of the question but also pointless.

There are already assessment facilities for elderly people who have been involved in an incident, have some condition which can affect driving,  or have been advised by a doctor not to drive.

Many elderly drivers  are safe on our roads, a lot more than who are not.   Target those who aren't rather than suggesting that  everyone should be inconvenienced.

My neighbour, for whom I have just signed her licence renewal, is 86 and is as fit as a butchers dog.  She asked me to go with her for a short  drive in the dark a couple of weeks ago because she hasn't done it for a while, and while she she is very cautious and takes her time there's nowt wrong with her driving.   Why should she have to take another test?

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#3 Wednesday 20th November 2013 11:28:26

ratty
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

JayMcCreary wrote:

Hi, all this week I'm collecting views on elderly drivers, and I'd like your help with the following...

Should drivers over a certain age be re-tested to see if they're still fit and able to drive safely? Surely, an updated assessment of their faculties should be in order, not only for their own safety, but for others as well, just to make sure that nobody is going to be unnecessarily hurt or worse, killed.

I agree.

I think that age should be set at 17.

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#4 Wednesday 20th November 2013 11:50:11

MAZ
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Have to agree with Roadmaster, similarly I took an 89 year old gentalman out for an assessment after an absence from driving due to an illness, he turned out to be one of the best FLH drivers I have ever taken out.

What age, JayMcCreary, would you suggest is the time for "re-testing"?

Maz.

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#5 Wednesday 20th November 2013 11:50:59

MGM
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Roadmaster wrote:

You cannot discriminate on the grounds of age, so a retest just because you reach a certain age is not only out of the question but also pointless.

Why not? We already do discriminate, by making the over-70s renew every 3 years, and by barring the under-17s from driving at all.

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#6 Wednesday 20th November 2013 11:55:58

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

I don't see how a retest will solve anything, many people pass driving tests who are not good drivers. I think that a proper health check including a full eye test at 70 would help, a least they would be fit to drive if everything is ok. There are also proper assessments available from any ADI at a much lower price than a driving test, so if the older driver is concerned about their ability they can pick up the phone and book one.

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#7 Wednesday 20th November 2013 12:47:53

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Age is not the problem but the ability to drive safely

What there should be is a basic safe driving assessment every 5 or 10 years along with the GP and optician signing that the person is fit to drive and those 3 assessments done at a national fixed price

The DVLA D4 medical is already in place and can be done for less than 60 quid so that might be another option

As for who would do any compulsory safe driving assessment ..... that would need to be determined but could probably done by introducing a new approval for doing so

By safe driving assessment I do not mean a DSA style drive or an AD style drive but simply using a style that keeps the driver and everyone else safe

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#8 Wednesday 20th November 2013 19:06:25

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Why restrict age based re-tests to driving ? What about the professions, police officers, firemen, lawyers etc. It's a bad idea.

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#9 Wednesday 20th November 2013 21:39:09

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Hi

(ROG) wrote:

   
The DVLA D4 medical is already in place and can be done for less than 60 quid so that might be another option

As for who would do any compulsory safe driving assessment ..... that would need to be determined but could probably done by introducing a new approval for doing so

I suspect that the companies that do the D4 Medical for less than 60 couldn't cope with the numbers required; my GP quoted me 90.

re- Assessments what about those of us who already submit ourselves to tri-annual tests, would we have to do the "new" one as well?

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#10 Monday 9th December 2013 17:42:06

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

My opinion is that there should be 5 year assessments from gaining the licence with appropriate refresher training where needed.  Retesting would be unrealistic as again, in my opinion, hardly anyone continues to drive in a way that would satisfy the criteria to pass a basic driving test, the roads would be void of vehicles.  'Some of the safest drivers have never had an accident but have seen lots in their mirrors'  It's a privilege to have a licence, not a right.

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#11 Tuesday 10th December 2013 00:23:26

Evan
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Black box in every car that is the best way to keep track of what everyone is doing. Penalise those who drive incorrectly.

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#12 Tuesday 10th December 2013 13:48:05

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

i've just done a motorway lesson with a recently passed student.

Lovely, caring, polite, attentive and a wonderful driver. Her insurance is 1,200 but she doesn't want a black box.

Seems like the incentives need to be more attractive or made mandatory.


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#13 Tuesday 10th December 2013 16:36:12

Evan
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Unfortunately Peter people just won't follow the rules or use "common sense", hence the need for speed bumps on housing estates and mobile speed cameras around schools. So it will have to go mandatory!

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#14 Tuesday 10th December 2013 16:57:07

Roadmaster
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

1200 quid is not a bad deal for a new driver.  I think the black box is more appealing when they are being quoted three or four grand.

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#15 Tuesday 10th December 2013 18:52:11

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Hi
I want to know who has set the parameters for these black boxes, and just what are their qualifications to say that their judgement of "proper" drivng is correct.

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#16 Tuesday 10th December 2013 21:25:34

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

pegasus wrote:

Hi
I want to know who has set the parameters for these black boxes, and just what are their qualifications to say that their judgement of "proper" drivng is correct.

The assessment of "proper" driving can be based on relative or absolute data.
Who sets the parameters?  Well, the box suppliers, insurers, employers ... all have a say.  It depends on what has been asked of the box, the data set given by the box, the frequency of data being sent, the complexity and comprehensive nature (or not) of the data, the analysis of the data allowed (typically) by the portal that presents the data and probably a lot more.
The box itself records and reports on location (in real time or not), on speed (relative only sometimes to the posted limit) and, by a variety of means, on g-forces in 3 axes (x, y and z).  So it can report on present and historic location, speed and braking, acceleration, steering and taking-off (speed bump/kerbing) forces.
Insurance rates are set (particularly in the US) in a usage- and behaviour-based framework - the US market of UBI and BBI is quite mature.  Where the Yanks go ...
The data generated by such boxes cannot always be interpreted absolutely but certainly can be interpreted in a relative and comparative way - patterns of less than optimal driving that generate harsh events are easily identified within a number of drivers.
Overlay these harsh(er) events on a map and you have, for example, a driver who has a difficulty in dealing with mini-r'bouts or (with geo-fencing, mileage and/or curfewed restrictions on movements) you have a report on drivers' compliance with vehicle usage and insurance conditions.
So what can a black box do for anyone?  Well it depends ...


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#17 Wednesday 11th December 2013 00:31:03

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

JayMcCreary wrote:

Hi, all this week I'm collecting views on elderly drivers, and I'd like your help with the following...

Should drivers over a certain age be re-tested to see if they're still fit and able to drive safely? Surely, an updated assessment of their faculties should be in order, not only for their own safety, but for others as well, just to make sure that nobody is going to be unnecessarily hurt or worse, killed.

Would that be right?  Or would it be ageist?

Before you decide, take a listen to the short podcast (only 3 minutes long), youll be surprised at some of the statistics involving older drivers.  After listening, please post your thoughts on the matter.

Looking forward to hearing your views.  Here's the link:
http://mhm.hud.ac.uk/newsroom/sites/def … rivers.mp3


If you have time on your hands, this is an informative report
http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac … a_0213.pdf

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#18 Wednesday 11th December 2013 07:27:13

ralge
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

trunkmonkey wrote:
JayMcCreary wrote:

Hi, all this week I'm collecting views on elderly drivers, and I'd like your help with the following...

Should drivers over a certain age be re-tested to see if they're still fit and able to drive safely? Surely, an updated assessment of their faculties should be in order, not only for their own safety, but for others as well, just to make sure that nobody is going to be unnecessarily hurt or worse, killed.

Would that be right?  Or would it be ageist?

Before you decide, take a listen to the short podcast (only 3 minutes long), youll be surprised at some of the statistics involving older drivers.  After listening, please post your thoughts on the matter.

Looking forward to hearing your views.  Here's the link:
http://mhm.hud.ac.uk/newsroom/sites/def … rivers.mp3


If you have time on your hands, this is an informative report
http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac … a_0213.pdf

Thanks for the link, very informative as you suggest.


DSA Fleet Trainer, RoSPA Dip, PTLLS, Safed for Vans, NDAC/Speed Awareness on-road trainer, RoSPA RoAD Test Examiner.

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#19 Tuesday 25th February 2014 15:05:03

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

It might be worth considering re-testing every x number of years.


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#20 Tuesday 25th February 2014 15:54:56

Roadmaster
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

samydriving wrote:

It might be worth considering re-testing every x number of years.

Why?  The majority of drivers are ok, why cause problems for them without any need?

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#21 Tuesday 25th February 2014 21:37:36

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

Roadmaster wrote:
samydriving wrote:

It might be worth considering re-testing every x number of years.

Why?  The majority of drivers are ok, why cause problems for them without any need?

The majority might be able to get from A to B ok but how much better might they be if they were forced to think about their driving every few years?


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#22 Tuesday 25th February 2014 21:46:44

Roadmaster
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

If they are driving without causing any problems why do you want them to be better?  Is OK not acceptable any more?

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#23 Tuesday 25th February 2014 22:52:54

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

How many elderly get where they going? Not because of their good driving skills but because of the good driving skills of others in avoiding these drivers?

Not necessary a driving test but an assessment along the lines of NDAC or DASA.


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#24 Tuesday 25th February 2014 23:16:35

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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

So how would you deal with 18-25 year olds who have a higher accident rates?

There is little real,evidence that drivers over specific ages are a greater risk

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#25 Tuesday 25th February 2014 23:44:08

Evan
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Re: Should elderly drivers be re-tested?

I think quite a few drivers get where they are going with a mixture of luck and defensive driving by others.

But here is something to think about, the roads have rules, there are procedures that we are "expected" to follow. But just like lots of other things in society, people know better and don't or won't comply.

If people just complied with the rules, adhered to speed limits, drive using the MSPSL procedure, the one that is proven to be effective and safe not just for passing your test but for life, then it would work for the better of everyone.

Older users do they make mistakes? Yes, but many actually drive to their limitations, they realise that their reaction times are not so good so a lot go slower, but thats wrong as well, because smart a rse in the super fast Saxo wants to go faster and gets abusive.

The fact is people feel they are above complying with the rules, so they don't use signals, they do use mobile phones, they do break speed limits, and they do drive aggressively. Whats worse all of this "attitude" started long before they were old enough to drive, it was nurtured, encouraged, and allowed by a generation that was not prepared to say no.

To single out older drivers is foolish, the roads belong to no one, driving with the right attitude at the right speed and concentrating on what you are doing prevents accidents, aka safe driving, incorporating defensive driving skills something like what is required to pass the very basic driving test!

Yeah I know thats old fashioned ideology, it smacks of doing as you are told!

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