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#1 Monday 5th November 2012 23:42:57

Lady-Hynarc
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Check Test Fear

Hi All,

Being utterly premature as I haven't even been told my CT is due, I am already worrying about it.  hmm

However, regardless of my concerns (which revolve mostly around me just being crap and getting a 1) I have a question.  If I am teaching a subject which requires the pupil to drive to site, how do I handle traffic situations which my pupil hasn't been taught about yet in such a way that the examiner understands and does not penalise me.  For example, I choose TiR and the pupil drives to site but has not actually learned to do roundabouts yet and the route requires crossing a couple. Do I talk them through it? How will the examiner view that? Furthermore, for CC is it assumed that I will correct every fault, even if that is outside the pupil's knowledge thus far?  If not, how will the examiner know if the pupil hasn't done it or if I have missed it?

OMG I hope that makes sense...

Thanks

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#2 Tuesday 6th November 2012 00:06:59

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Re: Check Test Fear

Hi
Ask yourself a question;would i teach,this pupil,this lesson,today?
Teach the next lesson and handle whatever occurs;just like you do everyday.
Hope this helps.
Peter
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#3 Tuesday 6th November 2012 00:43:45

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Well firstly I also hate C/Ts and Ive got one the week before xmas, lucky me whoopee, I shouldnt worry with my experience but I still do, its more to do with the ability of the examiner rather than mine though.

If this is the only pupil you have, and to pick up the examiner and get to the working area you will have to cross situations your pupil has not yet covered, you can do one of two things.

1.    Drive the pupil to the working area. BUT! How much of the time will this take up? How much relevant commentary tuition can you give during this drive?

2.    Let the pupil drive under FULL INSTRUCTION to the working area, the pupil can not make a mistake so CC not relevant, however you then have the drive back to consider!!

Given that you have not got an invitation yet, you have the time to find a more suitable pupil or do role play, personally if taking a pupil I would chose one that you can teach from the second the engine starts at the T/C.

Maz.

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#4 Tuesday 6th November 2012 01:01:26

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If this pupil has not yet covered roundabouts why not teach this instead of the TIR. Aim to teach the most appropriate lesson for the pupils needs, opening up roundabouts will allow you to also open up the routes for future lessons.


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#5 Tuesday 6th November 2012 01:08:46

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Hello Lady H

The solution seems to be to choose a route that the pupil finds manageable, so that they're not overwhelmed by an unusual situation. Having said that, you should be ready for the pupil being overwhelmed anyway! For my first CT, the pupil forgot everything they'd ever learned and froze at the controls at the Test Centre. The Check Test system unfortunately isn't flexible enough to deal with this situation and all you can do is to be ready for it and have plan 'B' or plan 'C' prepared and do the best you can.

The only other thing I would say is to be yourself. I think it's a mistake to try and get all the boxes ticked. You're obviously a thoughtful person and you think about how to do the best for each individual learner, so just do this. If this coincides with what the DSA wants, well then you win!

Good luck when it all happens, anyway

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#6 Tuesday 6th November 2012 09:30:31

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Terrier wrote:

If this pupil has not yet covered roundabouts why not teach this instead of the TIR. Aim to teach the most appropriate lesson for the pupils needs, opening up roundabouts will allow you to also open up the routes for future lessons.


Spot on Terrier, Good advice in this post Lady H.

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#7 Wednesday 7th November 2012 01:14:42

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Lady-Hynarc

In your example you say "how do I handle traffic situations which my pupil hasn't been taught about yet in such a way that the examiner understands and does not penalise me"

Can I ask why would you put your client in a situation s/he has not been in before but not be teaching that subject. You could be heading for disaster on a CT if you did this. Your client may take to roundabouts well, or worse, may fall to pieces, you will then have to change your plan with a client who is not in a good frame of mind.

Best way would be once you have your invite choose a pupil CAREFULLY, choose the subject CAREFULLY and choose your route CAREFULLY.

The CT is not a part 3, don't be afraid to teach the way you usually do.

From your posts you seem to be client focused, this is good, this is what it's about, the client, not you and the examiner.

Good luck when it happens


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#8 Monday 18th February 2013 21:41:23

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Well, the waiting is almost over - my check test is in 2 days!

I've been out preparing for it today, mainly because it's not in an area that I am particularly used to so I needed to check out a route.  I'm reasonably happy with what I have planned.

I can't say I'm looking forward to it though and feel somewhat pessimistic at the moment.  It feels a bit like I'm walking on ice and the potential for falling over is massive.  I'm going to be so nervous on the day and am going to have to work really hard to just be myself and do what I normally do.  I guess if my natural style and way of working isn't good enough then I shouldn't be teaching anyway. 

Sorry it's such a 'down' post but I really am dreading Wednesday!

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#9 Monday 18th February 2013 22:07:11

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Good luck Lady H, I don't know of anyone who is not nervous or enjoys a check test, hope it goes ok for you  wink

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#10 Monday 18th February 2013 22:38:58

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Whatever you choose to do, choose a route where you are always able to be in control. The worst thing that can happen is you let things run away from you. Keep it simple, keep things manageable, always have an 'escape route' if things start to go 'wrong'....

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#11 Tuesday 19th February 2013 09:04:43

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Good luck!  smile


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#12 Tuesday 19th February 2013 10:47:58

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Try and Relax treat it as a normal lesson. Good recap at the beginning and finish lesson with good point of lesson and things to work on for next time
Important thing would be if you plan to teach Meeting and a manouever and a problem happens at the beginning relating to roundabouts make sure that you change you lesson plan accordingly.

When I had my check test I had a pupil have a problem with a roundabout right at the end of the check test and my SE said if I had not changed my teaching plan to deal with the roundabouts then I would have been seriously marked down... I did not want to ask what seriously marked down meant !

Good Luck

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#13 Wednesday 20th February 2013 15:17:49

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Thanks to all who sent their best wishes and words of advice...

As of right now, I am a grade 5, one up from what I was yesterday!  big_smile  I am VERY happy!  big_smile

I will give a write up when I get a chance.

Did I mention that I was VERY happy?  No?  Well, I'm VERY happy!  big_smile

Just so there's absolutely no doubt......I am VERY happy!

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#14 Wednesday 20th February 2013 15:40:43

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Superb, I was over the moon went I went from grade 4 to 5.


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#15 Wednesday 20th February 2013 17:05:46

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Well, I am very, very HAPPY for you, well done LH  smile

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#16 Wednesday 20th February 2013 17:37:35

Andrew lefthandseat
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Well done Lady H, congratulations!

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#17 Wednesday 20th February 2013 18:55:49

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Congratulations Lady H

I have my check test tomorrow, and this is something i was also worrying about, as my pupil is only about to do emerging junctions, but we have to do 3 roundabouts to get from TC to teaching area.
All my previous pupils had already done roundabouts so wasnt a concern.

I have had advice from an ADI friend who said, explain that we have to do roundabouts and then instruct them fully through roundabouts and then brief on emerging when we get to training area, then instruct again on way back.

This is now my 5th CT and still crapping myself.......
E on the first and then three grade 4s.
Even though i go into CT trying to do lesson as normal, i get nervous, waffle, forget to say things and then go all to pot on the lesson.
Mine is 8.45 am so get it out of way quick and not spend all day worrying as all others have been in afternoon.

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#18 Wednesday 20th February 2013 20:21:09

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Well done Lady H nice to get that behind you for 4 years.  cool

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#19 Wednesday 20th February 2013 21:33:15

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Saint_Albans_ADI wrote:

Try and Relax treat it as a normal lesson. Good recap at the beginning and finish lesson with good point of lesson and things to work on for next time
Important thing would be if you plan to teach Meeting and a manouever and a problem happens at the beginning relating to roundabouts make sure that you change you lesson plan accordingly.

When I had my check test I had a pupil have a problem with a roundabout right at the end of the check test and my SE said if I had not changed my teaching plan to deal with the roundabouts then I would have been seriously marked down... I did not want to ask what seriously marked down meant !

Good Luck

Gary


Thats the problem with check tests, I would have said we will cover that in detail next lesson, having said that, that is what I did on my last check test and and got marked down, and got a 5 sad  I was after a 6..

I only wanted a 6 so I could dish it. the grades mean very little.

The Duke

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#20 Wednesday 20th February 2013 21:37:05

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Hi
Well done Lady-H,good job.
Peter


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#21 Wednesday 20th February 2013 23:32:30

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Hi Robbie.

Save yourself the hassle and drive the pupil to the practice area. Why subject them to something they've not done at the beginning. If the lesson goes well, maybe get them to drive back.

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#22 Thursday 21st February 2013 07:43:46

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i did think of doing that but not sure how the SE would take that approach if it was obvious the pupil capable of doing the drive herself.
She will probably drive from home to test centre and cover a few roundabouts anyway.

O well here goes 8.45am

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#23 Thursday 21st February 2013 09:22:45

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Robbie wrote:

i did think of doing that but not sure how the SE would take that approach if it was obvious the pupil capable of doing the drive herself.
She will probably drive from home to test centre and cover a few roundabouts anyway.

O well here goes 8.45am

Good luck!

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#24 Thursday 21st February 2013 09:24:05

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Lady-Hynarc wrote:
Robbie wrote:

i did think of doing that but not sure how the SE would take that approach if it was obvious the pupil capable of doing the drive herself.
She will probably drive from home to test centre and cover a few roundabouts anyway.

O well here goes 8.45am

Good luck!

Or maybe in the best theatrical traditions - scrape a wheel!

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#25 Thursday 21st February 2013 20:00:31

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well what a nightmare that was,
turned up at 8.15 as planned, no sign of pupil, knocked door, phoned, no answer.
went to TC explained no pupil.
given 2 options, role play or come back at 2.00pm with pupil.

went for latter, and managed to get hold of pupil at 11.30 and explained situation.

He wouldnt drive to or from TC so i did commentary drive to training area, had a fairly hard and challenging lesson as he did everything and anything wrong and i was busy to say the least. He drove back to TC and after debrief with SE she gave me another 4, but said i am capable of 5 and wants to give me a 5 but i just didnt quite crack it with the remedy of one of his faults.

O well its over and done with
Cheers everybody who has given replies

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