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#26 Thursday 16th February 2012 21:40:30

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

Hi
I would always speed up between the bumps and then lift off gas before[sometimes braking for superbumps].
I sat in on a test in blyth last year and my pupil took every bump at 30mph hitting the high point of every one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never even mentioned on debrief[no fault marked].I needed the dentist yikes

Agree with Zipper on the outcome expected if you maintained a low speed all the way down the road;defo a d/f and possibly a serious.
Peter


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#27 Thursday 16th February 2012 21:43:47

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

(ROG) wrote:

We have some near me that are far enough apart to do the 30 limit between them but my car will only do 15 over them unless I want to send it flying !!
Surely you do not suggest I do 15 when I can easily do 30???!!

Rog, is that the official IAM view then? Ignore the HC? Go as fast as possible?

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#28 Thursday 16th February 2012 22:02:19

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

I hope Vanda doesn't mind but I think the information in this link will help the OP.

http://www.2pass.co.uk/failure.htm

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#29 Thursday 16th February 2012 22:02:48

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

fishie wrote:
ytyck wrote:

Max, honestly after he told me i failed(AGAIN)....my head went blank! I couldn't believe it. I'm thinking i must have said no to it then, honestly i don't remember. My instructor was walking towards the car, by the time she got there, he was gone. Thank you for the replay. X

Sorry thats not right and you are missing things out. If you went with an instructor for a test and you said that the will attend the de brief the examiner would of told them. They would of waited for your adi to get to the car and with that many faults on a dl25 lets be honest with each other you cant drive and should not of gone in for your test.

Fishie - what a nasty comment to make! Was that really necessary! How do you know how this person drives if you have never been in the car with them!!!!!

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#30 Thursday 16th February 2012 22:44:24

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We have speed humps in my estate.

30mph limit, my BMW will go over them happily at 25mph, the Jazz with a much smaller track needs to be down to 15mph..........................so you tell me how the humps are supposed to control speed?

A low slung car with body kit, needs to go over them at around 2-3mph, should it keep to that speed for the whole road?

If speed humps were properly designed to keep cars to a constant speed then the HC might be right, they are not, and the HC contains advice that does not work in the real world.

Remember the HC is not law, it is guidance, sometimes it is nonsensical to rigidly follow it.

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#31 Thursday 16th February 2012 23:07:05

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kaf wrote:

Remember the HC is not law, it is guidance, sometimes it is nonsensical to rigidly follow it.

A failure to observe any of the provisions of The Highway Code might be used as evedence in legal proceedings.
A lot of the rules are law and not just guidance.

But as you say sometimes common sense must be used.

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#32 Friday 17th February 2012 10:17:15

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Lewinpeter1 wrote:

Hi
I would always speed up between the bumps and then lift off gas before[sometimes braking for superbumps].
I sat in on a test in blyth last year and my pupil took every bump at 30mph hitting the high point of every one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never even mentioned on debrief[no fault marked].I needed the dentist yikes

Agree with Zipper on the outcome expected if you maintained a low speed all the way down the road;defo a d/f and possibly a serious.
Peter

I know of a pupil who took what I presume are the same humps in blyth at a steady speed of 15-20mph the whole way up the the road. It is a 30 limit, but feel 20 is about ample for the humps. Pupil failed for not making progress. In debrief ex said he should have been accelerating to around 30 between the humps and slowing again for the next hump.

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#33 Friday 17th February 2012 10:18:35

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MGM wrote:
(ROG) wrote:

We have some near me that are far enough apart to do the 30 limit between them but my car will only do 15 over them unless I want to send it flying !!
Surely you do not suggest I do 15 when I can easily do 30???!!

Rog, is that the official IAM view then? Ignore the HC? Go as fast as possible?

Forget IAM - I am talking about drivers on the DSA driving test

Zipper has it spot on

The HC can only be used in court if it was deemed the driver ignored the ADVICE and made a situation unsafe

Increasing speed between humps is not illegal or bad driving unless the driver exceeds the limit or is acting in a manner which endangers other road users


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#34 Friday 17th February 2012 10:21:02

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Albo60 wrote:

I know of a pupil who took what I presume are the same humps in blyth at a steady speed of 15-20mph the whole way up the the road. It is a 30 limit, but feel 20 is about ample for the humps. Pupil failed for not making progress. In debrief ex said he should have been accelerating to around 30 between the humps and slowing again for the next hump.

Exactly !!

OH - and WELCOME Albo60

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#35 Friday 17th February 2012 15:59:42

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

Totally agree with Kaf, ROG and Zipper,

Kaf wrote:

Remember the HC is not law, it is guidance, sometimes it is nonsensical to rigidly follow it.

absolutely correct, it is not the LAW.


Different humps require different speeds as do different width of cars, my c4 barely touches some of the central square humps, a fiesta however is narrower so you need to slow down or wreck the car.

You can't have different speed limits for the same class of vehicles.


Rich

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#36 Friday 17th February 2012 18:59:31

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(ROG) wrote:

To say that the learner must do the same speed between the humps that they do when going over the humps is totally stupid

Knowone has said that have they Rog?

What was stated is that you should reduce speed for a stretch of road where there are speed humps.
A reduced speed being less than the speed limit.

So if its a 30 limit along a stretch of road and its only safe to do only 20. Thats the max you should do not speed up to 30 between the humps.

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#37 Friday 17th February 2012 19:28:07

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martin Williams wrote:
(ROG) wrote:

To say that the learner must do the same speed between the humps that they do when going over the humps is totally stupid

Knowone has said that have they Rog?

What was stated is that you should reduce speed for a stretch of road where there are speed humps.
A reduced speed being less than the speed limit.

So if its a 30 limit along a stretch of road and its only safe to do only 20. Thats the max you should do not speed up to 30 between the humps.

This read like you were saying that 15 should be the constant speed even if it was safe etc to do 20 - did I misread it?

martin Williams wrote:

The highway Code clearly states you should maintain a reduced speed for the whole stretch of road. So you would not get any fault by doing as stated in rule 153. So if the speed limit is 20 and the humps are 15mph humps thats the speed you should do for the whole stretch of road.

nowhere was it said that doing an unsafe speed was condoned but there is also nothing to stop a safe legal 30 between humps

If the authorities wanted drivers to go slower than the posted limit in a hump area then a lower speed limit will be instigated

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#38 Wednesday 22nd February 2012 13:35:19

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Suitable speed over the bump, try getting wheel either side.  Make progress inbetween the bumps suitable to potential hazards but do not exceed speed of rd.  If you drive too slow inbetween other drivers will probably try to overtake or drive too close behind making the situation more dangerous!!

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#39 Wednesday 22nd February 2012 16:42:29

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

There is no problem increasing speeds between the speed bumps, so long as it's a safe speed for the conditions.

kaf wrote:
Remember the HC is not law. That's not completely true, certain parts are law under the road traffic act and ignoring this could result in prosecution.


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#40 Wednesday 22nd February 2012 19:53:39

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

Terrier wrote:

There is no problem increasing speeds between the speed bumps, so long as it's a safe speed for the conditions.

kaf wrote:
Remember the HC is not law. That's not completely true, certain parts are law under the road traffic act and ignoring this could result in prosecution.


No, the HC is NOT law.

It covers aspects of driving which are governed by law,and it advises on those aspects but in itself it is not law.  It is a does provide however a simplified explanation of some legal aspects.

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#41 Wednesday 22nd February 2012 21:26:19

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The Highway Code clearly spells out which rules are law so you must have a different Highway Code than me. That's the trouble with these forums people are so petty and act like big girls.


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#42 Wednesday 22nd February 2012 21:42:21

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Blumin eck, Just teach the pupil as you would drive and as the examiner drives and all will be okay.

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#43 Sunday 15th April 2012 10:08:07

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

I don't usually come onto this section of the forum, but it is meant to be here to help Learners.
I believe the opposite has happened here and the discussion between ADIs should have been
transferred to the ADI board.

I hope the OP can take what is good and relevant and not  become too depressed by the negative comments.
This is a case where the ADI needs to sit in and give constructive advice to avoid the confusion.

To the OP - it is not that the examiner has it in for you, but maybe that you don't fully understand what they
are looking for and marking on their sheet. It does not imply you would not be an adequate driver when
driving on your own.
Nerves and disappointment and lack of confidence do conspire against some people under test conditions
and what they do and think can become muddled. That is why your ADI needs to be present.
It is your choice - Not the ADIs.


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#44 Wednesday 2nd January 2013 20:38:50

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When you take your test always try to have your instructor sit in with you, stops all the confusion with the debrief.  It might also give you a bit of confidence with them sitting in.  Good luck

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#45 Sunday 20th January 2013 09:57:11

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If you're not sure what's going on try always to get your instructor to sit in on your tests.

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#46 Tuesday 19th February 2013 21:58:56

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Re: Failed 2nd time today! *need advice*

Ok I have skim read most of this post and have a few thoughts.... When you take your test the Examinor is looking for certain things he is highly trained and an experienced driver but one thing he is not looking for is a perfect drive. He will not expect it

First know that when you take your test you will make mistakes this will happen more often than not. Very very rarely will we as instructors get a pupil come back with a clean slate.

Knowing you will make the mistakes is the first thing you need to be able to deal with however if any of the faults are deemed to be serious or dangerous then you will fail so know that this will happen.

So how do you pass the test ?

Question do you feel prepared have you done the necessary work to pass or are you taking the test early before you are fully prepared for it. You have to be honest you know yourself and you are only kidding yourself if you think you are ready but in your heart you deep down know you still need to work on things

Can you drive safely for 30 seconds and I mean 100% safely not 90% as this would still be 10% unsafe you have to make the Examinor feel safe if he feels unsafe you are not going to pass.

Time for the best show of your life.  Have you ever been told that you do not need to drive any different when you take your test just do as you would normally do on a lesson and you will be fine...this is ok but it is a fact that it is all about the best performance you can give. I know for a fact that if I was to take my advanced test again then I would put on the best performance of my life I would make my speed spot on my mirrors would be perfect my timing would be great I would try my best to give my best to get the grade I want.

Back to driving safe for 30 seconds ...forget that the test is 40 minutes long it is 80x30 seconds long you only have to worry about what is in front of you for the 30 seconds or less at a time what is 35 minutes down the test route does not matter till you get there. Focus on driving well for 30 seconds at a time. 

I can go on but for now that is enough to think about ...

I hope this helps


Good luck

Gary


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#47 Saturday 20th April 2013 23:46:28

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It sounds like you are not ready to pass your test as is evident by the marks on the sheet of paper you are interpreting yourself.  I would try having some mock tests with two other ADI's, maybe that your instructor knows.  If you are not passing your driving test you are not meeting the required standard, blunt but true.

Don't try to drive for the test, learn to drive for you, for your safety and the safety of other road users.


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