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#1 Wednesday 25th January 2012 23:02:15

pinball
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lights

I would like to know what the law and legal side about lights working on a vehicle. Am i right in saying any light that is on the vehicle should be in working order. Or is there certian lights you would be alound to drive without changing bulbs if it was not working and you where unable to replace it.
Example if your wing mirror indicator bulb stopped working but your front and  back indicator was still working. Hope the question make sense lol

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#2 Wednesday 25th January 2012 23:29:38

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Re: lights

From an MOT point of view the car would fail.

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/d … guides.htm


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#3 Thursday 26th January 2012 17:22:42

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However reversing lights are not tested on MOT.

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#4 Thursday 26th January 2012 19:55:10

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Re: lights

Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989

Maintenance of lamps, reflectors, rear markings and devices

23.—(1) No person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road a vehicle unless every lamp, reflector, rear marking and device to which this paragraph applies is in good working order and, in the case of a lamp, clean.(2) Save as provided in paragraph (3), paragraph (1) applies to–(a)every–

(i)front position lamp,
(ii)rear position lamp,
(iii)headlamp,
(iv)rear registration plate lamp,
(v)side marker lamp,
(vi)end-outline marker lamp,
(vii)rear fog lamp,
(viii)retro reflector, and
(ix)rear marking of a type specified in Part I of Section B of Schedule 19,

with which the vehicle is required by these Regulations to be fitted; and(b)every–

(i)stop lamp,
(ii)direction indicator,
(iii)running lamp,
(iv)dim-dip device,
(v)headlamp levelling device, and
(vi)hazard warning signal device,
with which it is fitted.

(3) Paragraph (2) does not apply to–(a)a rear fog lamp on a vehicle which is part of a combination of vehicles any part of which is not required by these Regulations to be fitted with a rear fog lamp;
(b)a rear fog lamp on a motor vehicle drawing a trailer;
(c)a defective lamp, reflector, dim-dip device or headlamp levelling device on a vehicle in use on a road between sunrise and sunset, if any such lamp, reflector or device became defective during the journey which is in progress or if arrangements have been made to remedy the defect with all reasonable expedition; or
(d)a lamp, reflector, dim-dip device, headlamp levelling device or rear marking on a combat vehicle in use on a road between sunrise and sunset.



This applies to a side repeater indicator.

You will also note that the 'daytime' defence for lights, (3)(c) does not apply to direction indicators.

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#5 Thursday 26th January 2012 20:38:43

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Re: lights

Thanks for replies so far. So if you are driving a van with running lights at side of the vehicle and one is not working and you are unable to change the bulb because you don`t have to required bulb or the housing is corroded. Am i right saying this vehicle would not be legal to take out on the road?

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#6 Thursday 26th January 2012 20:53:48

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Re: lights

pinball wrote:

Thanks for replies so far. So if you are driving a van with running lights at side of the vehicle and one is not working and you are unable to change the bulb because you don`t have to required bulb or the housing is corroded. Am i right saying this vehicle would not be legal to take out on the road?


what are running lights?

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#7 Thursday 26th January 2012 21:28:44

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Re: lights

trunkmonkey wrote:
pinball wrote:

Thanks for replies so far. So if you are driving a van with running lights at side of the vehicle and one is not working and you are unable to change the bulb because you don`t have to required bulb or the housing is corroded. Am i right saying this vehicle would not be legal to take out on the road?


what are running lights?

the lights that you have at the side of vans/lorries ie the amber lights to make you aware its a longer vehicle so as not to drive into the vehicle in the dark I think they are called running light?

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#8 Thursday 26th January 2012 21:58:48

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I'd call them side marker lamps.

Look back to my original post and see what it says about them.

There are two types -  obligatory  (must have) and optional.

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#9 Thursday 26th January 2012 22:17:46

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Re: lights

trunkmonkey Why does 3 (c) not apply to indicators?


Confucius say, "Opinion, like old man's dribble - Once out of mouth, no use to anyone."

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#10 Friday 27th January 2012 20:19:00

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Re: lights

android wrote:

trunkmonkey Why does 3 (c) not apply to indicators?

I was an enforcer, not a legislator, so I'll hazard the guess that indicators, unlike other lights, have tell-tale signals to show they are working, both audible and visible on the instrument panel, similarly, they give signals to show they aren't working, normally they flash twice as fast.
The driver should instantly be aware of the fault and rectify it.

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