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#1 Tuesday 22nd March 2011 20:49:30

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Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

Due to the high mileage we do & the ever increasing cost of fuel are these models a good buy for ADI's? My current fuel bill is about £120 a week, if I can get a car that is 20% more efficient then I could be saving £20+ a week or over £1000 a year!
Any view on what the current models are like & whether you think they are worth it?


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#2 Saturday 26th March 2011 13:03:40

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

My i ask what type of car are you using at the moment?

Will this help: http://cars.uk.msn.com/features/green-m … =147863533

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#3 Saturday 26th March 2011 23:05:47

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

Using a Mazda 2 at the moment getting about 45-50mpg but if the Eco cars get 75mpg that's a big saving over a year. The question is do they actually get anywhere near the published figures?


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#4 Sunday 27th March 2011 09:30:05

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

I am interested in the Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTi 95. Vauxhall have increased the bhp to suit the new model better now! Where previously performance was very sluggish! I previously had the older version and was roughly getting 50mpg on lessons with good reliability too, So think i will try this model out!

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#5 Sunday 27th March 2011 12:14:07

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

IMO they're a complete waste of the extra money. By definition they need to be driven economically to get the best out of them, their performance is generally speaking poor so if you drive them harder to overcome that, it defeats the point. Learners need to grasp the basics before eco, so potential for savings is limited.

Plus judging by what most car reviewers say the eco mileage claims are never achieved. Stop-start technology being the only real fuel saver. But stop-start vs Stop-stall might be a right pain for a learner.

Buying a diesel turbo is you best bet and leave it at that.


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#6 Tuesday 29th March 2011 08:35:02

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

I agree with DampDog smile.

The "Eco Range Models" normally cost more. Personally, I worked out by the time I wound be making a significant saving, it would be time to sell up / exchange it.

Most cars can be Eco Friendly, it's the way you drive it that makes the difference! :angel:


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#7 Thursday 31st March 2011 20:56:49

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

Hi, I teach in a Focus econetic 1.6Tdci. 
Car drives like a dream, is powerful (110bHP) and responsive, with great handling. 
Economy on lessons averages out at around 50-55 mpg, for personal use about 68mpg and on a motorway run 80-85mpg (at a frugal 60mph) 
Road fund licence comes in a wallet friendly £30 per year. 
The biggest expense will be the 75000 mile service, when the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) needs replacing, that service bill alone will be in the region of £1000 as the DPF is over £600 Plus the dreaded VAT then the rest of the service cost on top. 
Any vehicle with a DPF needs regular motorway journeys to get it working properly as they require the whole system to carry out a dynamic regeneration (burning off excess deposits in the DPF) which will only happen really on motorway journeys due to engine and exhaust temperatures.


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#8 Thursday 31st March 2011 21:39:36

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Hi,

Opposite end of the scale. yikes

VXR8 gets 25mpg for longer journeys at steady pace, 18mpg for town driving and 3 to 6mpg :evil: with heavy right foot and lower gears.

Road tax a bit high too at £435+

But for me, worth it and my bit of fun and don't do high miles in a year.

On the plus side my wife looking to change hers when the time is right and considering a Golf r  :angel:

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#9 Thursday 31st March 2011 21:44:43

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Yeah my GTO 3000 twin turbo is a much nicer drive than the Focus and a lot thirstier.  But so much nicer driving experience, kicking out over 350bhp.  0 to 60 a little under 5 seconds.  Limited at 150mph and goes straight to it.  Corners like a dream with lowered and stiffened suspension all round.  I love track days smile


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#10 Tuesday 5th April 2011 21:11:57

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I think my Seat Ibiza FR 2.0 Tdi strikes a good balance easy 55mpg teaching, fun when not teaching!! :evil: worst mpg 46.
On a good long run steady 70mph 65-73 mpg.


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#11 Tuesday 5th April 2011 21:51:58

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

IMO they're a complete waste of the extra money. By definition they need to be driven economically to get the best out of them, their performance is generally speaking poor so if you drive them harder to overcome that, it defeats the point. Learners need to grasp the basics before eco, so potential for savings is limited.

Plus judging by what most car reviewers say the eco mileage claims are never achieved. Stop-start technology being the only real fuel saver. But stop-start vs Stop-stall might be a right pain for a learner.

Buying a diesel turbo is you best bet and leave it at that.

As the driver of the dogs old car a 1.9 TDI sport polo, i have to agree. Sold my lovely A1, it had all the eco stuff you could imagine, however it got around 65 mpg driven properly, the same bizarrly as the dogs old polo is getting now!





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#12 Tuesday 19th April 2011 06:12:27

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

How long did you keep the A1 for James?

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#13 Tuesday 19th April 2011 18:22:53

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yikes  8 weeks  :cry:


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#14 Tuesday 19th April 2011 20:11:51

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

What was wrong with it? I quite like the look of them but is there something about them I don't know?

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#15 Tuesday 19th April 2011 20:22:51

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No nothing wrong especially the residuals lol . Cracking car


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#16 Tuesday 19th April 2011 20:25:41

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

But not worth keeping for more than 8 weeks?

The residuals must be very positive.

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#17 Tuesday 19th April 2011 20:31:43

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

divorce forced reluctasnt sale unfortunately sad


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#18 Wednesday 20th April 2011 05:35:03

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

Ahh! Fair enough.

Would you recommend it, the car that is.

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#19 Wednesday 20th April 2011 07:43:02

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

Hi Ratty
Yes its a superb car, the main consideration when buyin im sure your aware is the resudual, A1 is the best out there by a mile and a half. 62% if i remember rightly. I sold mine for the same money i bought it for after 3000 miles and 2 months. The eqivalent cheapo fiesta would have lost 3K in that time.

Audi obviously messed up the pricing on the TDI SE, thats the one to go for if you could get one but its still 6-8 months waiting time.

5 door will be the nicest when its out, but on the other hand the polo is just as good a car.


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#20 Friday 22nd April 2011 20:21:45

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

Learners need to grasp the basics before eco, so potential for savings is limited.

fair comment, though in germany they will not pass with poor economy driving. won't be long before it's happening over here.


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#21 Monday 25th April 2011 19:52:11

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Re: Are Eco cars worth the extra money?

Hi Ratty
Yes its a superb car, the main consideration when buyin im sure your aware is the resudual, A1 is the best out there by a mile and a half. 62% if i remember rightly. I sold mine for the same money i bought it for after 3000 miles and 2 months. The eqivalent cheapo fiesta would have lost 3K in that time.

Audi obviously messed up the pricing on the TDI SE, thats the one to go for if you could get one but its still 6-8 months waiting time.

5 door will be the nicest when its out, but on the other hand the polo is just as good a car.

Does a Ford Fiesta and an Audi A1 cost the same to buy new though?


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#22 Monday 25th April 2011 20:34:50

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[quote author=hector link=topic=41192.msg304851#msg304851 date=1303285382]
Hi Ratty
Yes its a superb car, the main consideration when buyin im sure your aware is the resudual, A1 is the best out there by a mile and a half. 62% if i remember rightly. I sold mine for the same money i bought it for after 3000 miles and 2 months. The eqivalent cheapo fiesta would have lost 3K in that time.

Audi obviously messed up the pricing on the TDI SE, thats the one to go for if you could get one but its still 6-8 months waiting time.

5 door will be the nicest when its out, but on the other hand the polo is just as good a car.

Does a Ford Fiesta and an Audi A1 cost the same to buy new though?

Actually no the Fiesta is slightly more expensive


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