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#1 Tuesday 15th December 2009 21:45:30

Nitram-Dubman
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Approached for ORDIT training

The MD of my School of Motoring has asked if I would like to become ORDIT registered. They will give me all the training I need for free while I have a franchise with them.

Recently, while at the head office for Check Test training, their Director of Training said to all of us there, that suitable candidates would be approached but that they were very selective about who. He has also said elsewhere that suitable candidates would have to have had at least one year of experience as a full time ADI.

Well, I qualified as an ADI back in June with a 4-5 (or was it 5-4, can't quite remember!) and at my first Check Test last week I was give a Grade 4 (no educational for me!).

My question to all you ADI trainers is: is it too soon? I'm very keen and it is part of my master plan for this career but do you think I need a bit more experience first? I'm very flattered that they have asked me and I feel that they recognise something in me, but I would also appreciate input from you guys.

Thanks,

Martin

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#2 Tuesday 15th December 2009 23:00:08

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Re: Approached for ORDIT training

Well, I qualified as an ADI back in June with a 4-5 (or was it 5-4, can't quite remember!) and at my first Check Test last week I was give a Grade 4 (no educational for me!).

With the greatest respect in the world, I think the above sentence answers your question.

If you have been given a grade 4 you are deemed to be of the minimum acceptable level - I hardly think that is a suitable level to be training pdis.

I'm not knocking you though - keep up the good work, raise your own standards and then you'll be in a much better position to help others.


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#3 Wednesday 16th December 2009 10:44:51

jonnmedds
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Well done for passing your first ct but I agree with Jonnyfr. Think back to when you were training, would you have been happy if your trainer had only been qualified for such a short amount of time.

Jon

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#4 Wednesday 6th January 2010 14:06:32

Carlo
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Re: Approached for ORDIT training

When I trained with BSM.  I passed all three parts first time.  I had a fantastic trainer.  I found out once I had qualified that he had been an ADI for 1 year before he started his training to become a trainer.  He even used me as his ORDIT CT smile.

Alot of his colleagues actually thought he was a better ADI trainer than an ADI??  Can this be true?  neutral


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#5 Wednesday 6th January 2010 15:56:04

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....Alot of his colleagues actually thought he was a better ADI trainer than an ADI??  Can this be true?  neutral

Quite possibly.

Nigel


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#6 Wednesday 6th January 2010 16:54:13

Roadmaster
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Alot of his colleagues actually thought he was a better ADI trainer than an ADI??  Can this be true?

How would they know unless they sat in on his lessons?

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#7 Wednesday 6th January 2010 20:50:14

finch
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Re: Approached for ORDIT training

Go for it, why the training process is fresh in your memory, do wha tfeels right, you might not get the offer again.

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#8 Thursday 7th January 2010 08:35:28

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You cannot be a better ADI trainer than an ADI, that is impossible! You have to be an excellent ADI to be an excellent ADI trainer. You are training others how to be an excellent ADI, preaching what you practice   wink


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#9 Tuesday 12th January 2010 22:45:31

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You must be excellent then Nigel? LOL


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#10 Tuesday 12th January 2010 23:02:02

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Yeah he is... but he has to watch out as I am steadily catching up on him  tongue tongue

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#11 Wednesday 13th January 2010 15:21:21

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Re: Approached for ORDIT training

I can't agree with a good trainer needing to be an excellent ADI.

A full understanding of what is required from a candidate, the testing regime and an appreciation of mentoring rather than teaching is what is required to be good trainer, not neccasarily being able to gain a grade 6 itself.

Many of the top tennis players have coaches that have never featured in a tennis tournament themselves. And how many ex champions trained subsequent championship contenders...... ZERO, despite plenty going on to be trainers.

How many caddies have not got green jackets but have guided their golfer to acheiving one or more?

I read of a cyclist that had worn yellow  shirts for several races and yet who's trainer hadn't ridden a bike since the age of 14.

Who coached Schuey to all those championship wins? It wasnt an ex F1 champion nor was it an experienced driver trainer.


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#12 Wednesday 13th January 2010 20:12:46

Marco Polo
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Hi Martin,

Unfortunately, the ADI training industry is poorly regulated so (as far as I am aware) you don't even have to be an ADI to teach part 3 for money (I'm not sure about part 2).

I too want to train ADIs. However, if I do not prepare myself in the right way, I will end up presenting PDIs for their part 3, most of whom will fail. I too qualified in June 09, I was check tested recently and acheived a 5. For now I mentor PDIs for free, while they are training with someone else (some have gone on to pass). I have a lot to learn. I will pursue a course of action over a period of time which will include being mentored by someone with much more experience than I. When I am confident that I know what I am doing, I will charge full whack to train PDIs in the confidence that I can present them for the part 3 test and the ball is truely in their court.

Being an ADI trainer is more than going through the ORDIT route. One of the best ADI trainers in the country isn't even ORDIT registered, he gets his business through having a good reputation and getting a lot of PDIs through the part 3 test.

Don't forget, when you teach normal L test pupils, they hardly ever ask for your grade or pass rates. PDIs will ask, and so they should. We mustn't b*llsh*t them. We owe it to them to:

1. Tell them if they are not cut out to be an ADI so they don't waste their money and
2. Make sure we provide them with the right kind of help to get them through the Part 3.

It's only my opinion.

Mark

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#13 Wednesday 13th January 2010 20:16:52

hector
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A perfect post 

The regulations regarding training for moneys worth apply to training provisional licence holders , For example the LGV voluntary register is just that, voluntary.


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#14 Wednesday 10th February 2010 22:16:29

1stcastle
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Re: Approached for ORDIT training

Hello, just joined this site. It doesn't matter if you are a grade 4 instructor. Adi trainer- it is a completely different job. You could be a reasonable instructor and be a very good adi trainer. Even grade 6 instructors who have been doing the job for years have been downgraded at check tests. It doesn't really mean anything providing your teaching method is consistant. Good luck and go for it.

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