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#1 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 21:41:14

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SPEED CAMERAS PART 2

Hi peeps, just out of interest because it seems as though you can get more than just 3 points on your license if you get flashed ....

How fast would you have to be traveling to get the full 6 points on your license?






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#2 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 21:53:29

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I'm not sure, but I think it is 30mph over the posted speed limit.

Addendum:

I just found a table that explains this and other likely penalties:

Source: http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/crimertotable.htm

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#3 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 22:06:28

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Ok so if its 30 over the posted speed limit. This probably means that you would have to be travling at 65 mph on a 30 to get 6 points.


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#4 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 22:36:05

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when I went to school 30 + 30 totalled 60

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#5 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 23:31:52

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U been caught then cat????

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#6 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 23:41:38

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ke

when I went to school 30 + 30 totalled 60

Kevin if you went over 32 mph you would not get flashed because there is an allowance margin between 30 and the speed limit which is probably 34-35 b4 the speed cam goes off. So add the margin on top of the 30+30+5 you get 65.

But lets not get side tracked from the actual question. thanx

A guy at work told me he got 3 points for traveling at 70mph on a 30. He was on a bike but a vehicle is a vehicle in the eyes of the law.

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#7 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 23:46:11

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No bin

U been caught then cat????


I can’t get caught because i stick to the rules of the road but just out of interest have you been flashed binty? How many points on your license?

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#8 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 23:48:00

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The speed limit is absolute.
so if it is a 30 limit then the limit is 30.

ACPO guidelines do recommend an allowance before prosecution proceeds, but that does not mean anyone going above the ACPO guidlines then will have that "tolerance" added to the actual speed.
It merely means the Police (if they choose to follow the ACPO guidelines) will not prosecute for speeds under it.

If a camera is set to flash at 35mph and you are caught at 36mph you are not prosecuted on the basis of being 1mph over the limit,  you were 6mph over the limit and that is the figure that will be presented as evidence.

so, 30 + 30 still = 60

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#9 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 23:48:24

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IMO anyone breaking the limit by that much shouldnt be on the roads....end of!

Re my lic cat no i havent...in 23 years ive never had any fines or endorsements....i was only curious as to why u asked the Q tis all

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#10 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 23:55:39

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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 2

Hi peeps, just out of interest because it seems as though you can get more than just 3 points on your license if you get flashed ....

How fast would you have to be traveling to get the full 6 points on your license?

If you were flashed travelling at an excessive speed then you would get a summons rather than a fixed penalty. The tolerance would be dependant on the guidelines where you were flashed (generally 15-20mph over the limit). It would then be up to magistrates whether you got points or disqualification.


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#11 Wednesday 3rd December 2008 23:57:17

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IMO anyone breaking the limit by that much shouldnt be on the roads....end of!

Re my lic cat no i havent...in 23 years ive never had any fines or endorsements....i was only curious as to why u asked the Q tis all


Well they say that you’re less likely to get any points if you continuously drive in areas your family with like for example to and from work. Maybe that’s you binty.

A taxi driver is more likly to get points in my view.

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#12 Thursday 4th December 2008 00:01:40

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No cat    tongue   ...i drive all over the place...big part of my job! Speed limits are there for a reason...and thats why i stick to them.

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#13 Thursday 4th December 2008 00:03:06

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No cat    tongue   ...i drive all over the place...big part of my job! Speed limits are there for a reason...and thats why i stick to them.


Yes i believe you. 23 years of driving and no mistakes.

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#14 Thursday 4th December 2008 00:07:56

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Ermmmmm  where did i say id never made mistakes  :?  tongue
A mistake differs from something dangerous/illegal  wink

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#15 Thursday 4th December 2008 00:11:11

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Binty, don't bite.  The one with the infected pussy is on the wind-up again.

Nigel


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#16 Thursday 4th December 2008 00:19:11

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Takes a lot for me to bite dont worry its rather entertaining  tongue

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#17 Thursday 4th December 2008 01:28:24

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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 2

I would say that the punishment from court to court varies along with area to area,I have stopped an 18yr old who had only been driving for 12mths and he was doing 88mph in a 30mph limit fine of £500 +6 points,another one 74mph in a 30mph Fine £600 +27 day disqualification.  The difference here was one court room had the district judge and the other was magistrates,have a guess which one was which.
To my mind both should have been disqualified to send out a clear message.  Which brings me to that I dont like cameras as they dont have any discretion like a TO does sometimes a good stearn rollocking does the trick,even with taxi drivers.
Stephen 

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#18 Friday 5th December 2008 15:08:33

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Ermmmmm  where did i say id never made mistakes  :?  tongue
A mistake differs from something dangerous/illegal  wink

I really do believe you bint no sarcasm involved smile smile

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#19 Friday 5th December 2008 15:16:10

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I would say that the punishment from court to court varies along with area to area,I have stopped an 18yr old who had only been driving for 12mths and he was doing 88mph in a 30mph limit fine of £500 +6 points,another one 74mph in a 30mph Fine £600 +27 day disqualification.  The difference here was one court room had the district judge and the other was magistrates,have a guess which one was which.
To my mind both should have been disqualified to send out a clear message.  Which brings me to that I dont like cameras as they dont have any discretion like a TO does sometimes a good stearn rollocking does the trick,even with taxi drivers.
Stephen


Yes i can agree with that, but seeing as thos speeds are reallllllllly obvious, i mean  88mph in a 30 those speeds are no brainers but what if you where traveling at just under 50 lets say 47mph in a 30  what would be the most common punishment for something like that? A 3 pointer and 60 quid fine? Or the full whack i know you mentioned it depends with the area and court to court but would you say that sort of speed would deserve 6 points or 3?

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#20 Friday 5th December 2008 15:41:02

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I beleive FPN's would be issued automatically upto the triggers of speed limit + 30 and/or if 3 points would mean the driver had a total of 12 or more points.

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#21 Saturday 6th December 2008 02:04:51

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I beleive FPN's would be issued automatically upto the triggers of speed limit + 30 and/or if 3 points would mean the driver had a total of 12 or more points.

You lost me can you explain the above any easier (really do appreciate being hand fed) thanx

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#22 Saturday 6th December 2008 08:46:14

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FPN = Fixed Penalty Notice. Usually only issued if coviction would likely result in 3 points.

speed limit  plus 30mph carries possible 6 points, and so offer of FPN is not usually made, and a summons to court is made.

If additional 3 points to a drivers licence meant he would be liable to totting up ban, or licence revoked if New Drivers Act is enforced, then FPN is not usually issued, but a summons to court would be appropriate.

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#23 Saturday 6th December 2008 23:56:27

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These are the current ACPO guidelines

Limit Fixed Penalty Summons
20 mph 25 mph 35 mph
30 mph 35 mph 50 mph
40 mph 46 mph 66 mph
50 mph 57 mph 76 mph
60 mph 68 mph 86 mph
70 mph 79 mph 96 mph


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#24 Sunday 7th December 2008 04:11:27

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Re: SPEED CAMERAS PART 2

These are the current ACPO guidelines

Limit Fixed Penalty Summons
20 mph 25 mph 35 mph
30 mph 35 mph 50 mph
40 mph 46 mph 66 mph
50 mph 57 mph 76 mph
60 mph 68 mph 86 mph
70 mph 79 mph 96 mph

These are the current ACPO guidelines

Limit Fixed Penalty Summons
20 mph 25 mph 35 mph
30 mph 35 mph 50 mph
40 mph 46 mph 66 mph
50 mph 57 mph 76 mph
60 mph 68 mph 86 mph
70 mph 79 mph 96 mph

Adi tony just the info i was looking for and on that i guess this thread ends but in turn opens another thread which will be posted after these words.

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